Issue 33: The Creation Stories – A Number of Approaches Justice and Humanity – Part Three

The mythical approach arises out of the liberal school of theology and the use of the historical-critical method of interpreting the scriptures. The literal approach, on the other hand, is usually attributed to a fundamentalist school of theology. It is always difficult to use generalizations about any particular approach so I will term the extremes of these approaches as philosophical liberalism and philosophical fundamentalism. The extreme liberal approach sees the scriptures as simply the words of men and women, which are reflections of their human experiences, interpreted in light of the divine. They deny any supernatural aspects of the scriptures, including any divine/human interactions, noting these as mythical stories. For instance, Martin Noth in A History of Israel proposes that Jacob and his twelve sons never existed (Genesis). They were mythical stories to give background and support to a confederacy of tribes that came together in Palestine itself, on the verge of their possession of the land. It is also seen in the approach of the “Jesus Seminar” that proposes that at the most only 20% of the words attributed to Jesus in the gospels were spoken by Jesus – the rest were the creation of the early Church.

The extreme fundamentalist approach sees the scriptures as only the Word of God, whereby God is seen as having dictated the words to the authors. The scriptures thus are inerrant, which proposes that there are no errors in the Bible. Any errors that may be noted are simply apparent. This poses some difficulties since John and the Synoptic gospels differ in the date of the last supper. There are also some discrepancies noted in the revelation of the Hebrew word for God, YHWH, to the Patriarchs – Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob – and Moses. Some proponents of this approach also deny the existence of miracles today. For them, miracles ceased once the Canon of Scriptures (the Bible as we know it) was completed.

One of the difficulties that has arisen over the debate between these two approaches, is that they have distracted us from what the text of the scriptures have to say and the truth claims they make. Two philosophers – Paul Ricoeur and Hans-Georg Gadamer – have proposed a greater engagement of the biblical texts themselves. They have done this without denying the issues raised by both philosophical liberalism and philosophical fundamentalism. Ricoeur notes that the biblical texts are both human words produced by humans and embedded in their situation, as well as the words of God, for God is both the author and referent of the biblical canon – that is, God is involved in the inspiration of the entire biblical texts. Ricoeur also notes that the texts of the Bible have a life of their own independent from the intentions of their authors. Gadamer takes us a step further and calls us to engage the texts of the Bible in a dialogue that involves both our presuppositions and ideas and the truth claims that lie within the texts themselves. He, along with Jürgen Habermas, Paul Ricoeur, Bernard Lonergan and Paulo Friere, dispute the objective claims of the Enlightenment, scientific positivism and philosophy and the anti-supernatural use of the historical-critical method of interpretation of the biblical texts. This does not dispute the fruit of scientific endeavours that have served us mightily in almost every arena of our lives, but calls for caution over the absolute claims of scientific philosophy that are not as objective as previously claimed.

Thus having noted the mythical and literal issues that are raised in understanding the creation stories we move to a discussion of the theological truths they propose. The first of these is understanding that the two writers of the creation stories (Genesis 1-2:3 & Genesis 2:4-25) reflect the same theme as in 1 Timothy 6:15 -16 where Paul wrote:

“For at just the right time Christ will be revealed from heaven by the blessed and only almighty God, the King of kings and Lord of lords. He alone can never die, and he lives in light so brilliant that no human can approach him. No human eye has ever seen him, nor ever will. All honor and power to him forever! Amen!”

The Genesis writers are unanimous in this regard – what an incredible, awesome God is our God, who made both the heavens and the earth and all that is contained within them. This awesome God then made us, in the divine image and likeness and infused us with the divine life, making us both material and spiritual entities who have the capacity to relate to both a material and spiritual world.

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177 Responses to Issue 33: The Creation Stories – A Number of Approaches Justice and Humanity – Part Three

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  130. Yo creo que no van a hacer nada, porque como bien explica Jose Manuel en su estupendo post han sido más pícaros que la EFSA. Probablemente un debate científico lo perderían, pero un proceso judicial, gracias a la letrita microscópica con la que ilustran cada envase, podrían tener juego. Ay esa zona gris de la interpretación que nos quita tantas horas de sueño.Por otra parte, creo que el mensaje publicitario está tan interiorizado en algunos consumidores que, aunque se publicara oficialmente, seguirían comprándolo.Un saludo a todos.

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  139. (Correction) As Salam 'Alaykoum, il serai bien in sha Allah que les frères qui par la reussite d'Allah sont sortie du groupe " La voie droite " fasse un bayyne sur ce groupe afin que les frères et soeurs qui sont toujours attacher a eux revienne vers la veritable voie droite.

  140. Ich kenne das Englische Original nicht, aber die Deutsche finde ich trotz der Menge an Informationen doch gut und verständlich geschrieben.Auf jeden Fall finde ich, es ist ein Buch das man sich Er-Arbeiten muss, nur einmal durchlesen reicht hier bei weitem nicht!

  141. Thanks guys, I just about lost it looking for this.

  142. I guess I need to catch up on my Russian folk tale literature – the second comb/brooch looks sort of like a big “lump.” No doubt a massively expensive one, but a lump, nonetheless….So, where are you going to wear your new Seahorse comb?! ;o)

  143. Good to see a major author saying that, as well-meaning and helpful as advice can be, it's up to you at the end of the day. There is so much advice out there that if you try to follow it all you won't get any writing done. Trust your gut and only follow the advice that resonates with you. What works for one author will very often not work for another…

  144. I was seriously at DefCon 5 until I saw this post.

  145. I have just heard on the grapevine that the cattle market have been refused planning for the proposed site on the outskirts of town. Lets hope they stay put now.

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  147. I’m a little confusedI don’t understand. Is this a private club you must join to visit, or a retail store or both? The provided website only makes me more confused I live in NorthEast and would love a close spot to pick up local specialty beers (such as Boulevard Smokestack)

  148. If you wrote an article about life we’d all reach enlightenment.

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  150. Ah, i see. Well that’s not too tricky at all!”

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  152. "non posso lavorare perche' questa gara non stimola i miei neuroni: penso che il brief di progetto non sia stato esposto in modo adeguato" :p

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  155. Facebook comment from Chris Miles – You only need to listen to the radio to see why music sales have decreased. We no longer make the charts, but the charts are made for us. All the same expensive studio produced pop by numbers.

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  157. Guys, I found out that when I smoke a little before good warm up I feel some pain in my knees, but when I did a good warm up of my body I feel so creative and I hear the music in a whole different way… Smokin weed once or twice a week I can’t take its bad, it’s all about what’s in your head… Peace

  158. Heip!Selasin tätä mainion fiiliksen antavaa blogiasi läpi ja löysin tatuointisi.. Voi, voisitko suositella minulle häntä joka sinut on tatuoinut? Vaasalaisista tatuoitsijoista kun olen kuullut vähän yhtä jos toistakin mielipidettä. Voimaa kevään odotteluun!Julia

  159. Yes, and I have read his work and listen to many hours of his talks as well as explored videos and his site and I don’t agree with your assessment. I think you’re judgment is because you like McDougal and starches and whatever, that’s fine but Dr. Fuhrman makes 100% sense to me and I like his style and his data.    I gotta go for now, going to give chair massage for a few hours at a Mother’s day event. Will be back around 3

  160. A ja właśnie aby pomagać takim dzieciom stworzyłam z mężem pogotowie rodzinne. Choć mamy trójkę swoich dzieci to w tej chwili przebywa u nas w domu dwójka maluszków (rok i dwa latka) właśnie po to aby nie musieli cierpieć głodu, poniżania, bicia oraz patrzeć na ciągłe libacje alkoholowe.

  161. You are so tough. I am not sure I am willing to go the NYC route with my contemporary fantasy. Not for slave wages. Looking forward to Tina’s adventures. (Not sure I’d retrieve a boyfriend who tried to murder me, but people have different maps of reality… ;^) )

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  164. Marianne, are there older still surviving relatives that you can interview, take notes, anything to trip or give a hint as to where your roots begin?Try it, the elderly are such an important link in this chain.I hope you do find something out from a great aunt, a 2nd cousin, someone who is still here to connect past to present. Thank you so much for stopping, and the kind words.

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